Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to the legal learning podcast. I’m your host Jolene. And with the legal learning center, I help prospective law students save $300,000 on law school. If you’d like three money saving strategies today, visit legal learning center.com forward slash money. Joining me today are the hosts of the two legit podcast, a podcast for nontraditional law students. They’re going to share their expertise gained from two and a half years of law school, some gap years and interviewing tons of people for their own podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Okay, so today I am joined by Ana and KJ. They are the host of two legit, a podcast for law students on a, why don’t you start us off by introducing yourself, telling us a little
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Bit about yourself.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Okay. Yeah. So my name is Ana. I go by on a mission my pot on the podcast and yeah, our podcast is a podcast for nontraditional law students with non-traditional backgrounds. I feel like I’m doing my intro, but yeah. I’m originally born and raised in the greatest city, Houston, Texas. K it was before I came to law school. I was a registered nurse for about eight years and then decided to come back and met this fantastic person to my right. Ms. KJ,
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Can you tell us a little bit about your
Speaker 3 (01:33):
So yeah. Thank you so much, Jolene for having us on here today. It’s been such a great experience so far and to be invited, to be a guest with somebody that we look up to and we admire is just, it’s just checking things off of our bucket lists that we never thought were possible while we’re a lawsuit. And so thank you for this. But yeah, going back to before law school I’m from Honolulu Hawaii. I did my undergrad at UCLA long time ago. I used to be a flight attendant prior to being a law student. And while I was a flight attendant, the best thing about being a flight attendant was not just a travel benefits, but it was the flexibility with your schedule. So that’s when I started my first startup, which was a bikini label. I was a fashion designer makeup artists, a lot of in the creative world.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
And then I became obsessed with trademarks and intellectual property. So that’s kind of what started me on the ball for the legal realm. And once I sold my first business, that’s when people were contacting me for startup consulting. And that’s when I realized I could turn that into an actual business and thereafter. That’s when my quest for obtaining my JD really really was put into action. And so, yeah, here I am, and I’m still a serial entrepreneur trying to manage all these things well, we’re in law school and it’s been quite the feat remotely, but you know, it feels good to have such a good supporting you know, just a good support system like Ana you know, good family, good friends and meeting someone like you, who has been remotely supporting this entire time as well.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yes, I was so excited to have you guys on here. I’m so glad we could make this work. You guys are not just, you’re a wealth of information in and of yourselves. I mean, first of all, you guys, again are non-traditional students. You have that work experience bringing you into law school that just changes that dynamic. You know, you have a background that supports law school because when you learn and read these things that are happening in the law, in these cases, you can actually see how they apply in the real world a lot more than a student who’s concentrated through. And then when you get out in that working world, it just, I think it’s so much easier in a way. So you have that, but then on top of that with your podcast, you’ve been interviewing so many different people on so many different topics to help the law students out, help them through their legal journey, which is yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Awesome. I love it. So I wanted to have you guys on today to talk about some of that extra information that you guys have that you’ve collected from around the legal industry, whether it’s other law students or lawyers. And I think where I’d like to start is just, I know that law students can have a real hit on their relationships or friendships, their love interests, or it can actually bring people together. So your guys’ experience just with what you’ve learned through your guests and yourselves personally, perhaps as far as how to maintain friendships relationships and how does that all work with law school?
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Oh, that is such a good question. On the, you wanna go first? No one thinking about it. Well, I guess right off the bat, what I’m thinking is I came into law school engaged and I’m currently no longer engaged. So relationships are very, very hard to maintain during law school. And I think one of the things that I learned the most is really figuring out who are your writer dies on your new journey, like ride or dies, meaning people who are going to support you when you are going to be selfish with your time law school requires so much of you mentally, physically, financially, emotionally, and you need people who are going to stick by you because they see the bigger picture and how much it really means to you. So you kind of have to discern who’s working with you, you know?
Speaker 3 (05:46):
And I think that’s the main thing is to not hold on too tightly to the people you once counted on before, because other people might be there for you. You know, you might just outgrow some of the relationships that you’ve had before. And then also try not to let your relationships, I guess derail you, because one of the things that Ana and I are currently in a bar prep course together, and one of the things that we learned is that one of the main reasons why most people don’t actually pass the bar exam on the first time around is not because they are ill-prepared substantively it’s because of the outside factors going on in their lives. So they even suggest if you’re going to go through a breakup, just wait until if you’re close to the bar, wait until you’re done with the bar.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Yeah. So, you know, it’s relationships Jolene, as you were saying, are very, very important. And it’s something to really think about because it can affect your, your performance, your progress and your altogether general outcome. So I currently go to a therapist right now, best relationship I’ve had this year, hands down. And she actually suggested to me to not, since I am single right now, not to connect with anyone until I’m done with the bar. So she actually kind of told me no. So that those situations obviously only applied to a certain person. So if that advice doesn’t fit for you and you know, you’re already in a relationship or you’re married or whatever, like take, take, listen to what applies to you and then leave the rest, you know? So I think that’s the best thing to do for it because every advice is not universal. And I think that’s the main thing. And as a former makeup artist, that’s what I try to tell people too, just because this foundation lasts on me for 19 hours, it doesn’t mean it’s going to last on you for 19 hours. You got to find what fits for you.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Really good advice. And I, I definitely saw that during my bar exam that a lot of people who should have passed just had lots of stuff going on. And didn’t so yeah. What about you Ana any relationship with
Speaker 4 (08:11):
No, none. Oh, I started law school single, and it looks like I’m finishing it single. That’s fine. You know you know, in our episode we discussed relationships. We had a few people on who, you know, were able to actually meet in law school. I just haven’t been that fortunate. And then obviously with COVID that really put a wrench in any social or major, lots of socialization. So, I mean, I actually, I’m kind of the opposite of KJ in that I actually had more of an isolating experience because you know, I don’t really have any family or friends out here in Seattle. And it took a while for me to actually get close to people that were in law school. It’s you know, a lot of people will say that you need to like form study groups or they suggest like forming study groups or you know, meeting a whole bunch of people.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
And, you know, I’m an introvert. I know it’s hard to believe I have a podcast, but deep down inside, I am a introverted person. And that was one thing that I had to learn in law school was, you know, forming relationships. Cause a lot of people that you work with could be potential colleagues or potential coworkers in the future. And so just having that discernment on who I would want to work with when, you know, law school is all said and done and who I want to partner with is, has been, you know, one of the best advices I’ve received. And so just being discerned, having a lot of discernment when it comes to finding the right people, and I have a handful of people like KJ and others that I rely on and, and you know, it just worked with them. I had established a really good working relationship.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
So in terms of advice, I would give someone it’s just, you know, seek out those study groups. So don’t force it because sometimes when you force relationships, you tend to go overboard. And that’s when things go south. And I actually had a friend that I started law school with and, you know, was trying to force the relationship, trying to force, you know, meeting, but it just didn’t work. And, you know, unfortunately that friendship kind of ended up dissolving, but you know, it, it actually opened up another space for other, other people to come into my space. So totally that’s, that’s how I deal with it.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
It’s good to know because law school is, it’s very intense. It’s very difficult to have breakups. It’s hard to even just go out on a date, much less formed their full relationship in the breakout. So I don’t know how people do it, do it. I had one person all through law school, so that kind of just made things super easy for me, but I saw it and I just, I was stressed for other people. So all right. So what about, do you guys have any one L horror stories?
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Do you have one on a cold calls? Yeah. Mine is probably a cold call and I don’t know what it is. I knew it was coming. Cause you know, every professor that I had, he said, we’re going to go in alphabetical order. And I knew once they got around the ends that I was, I was going to get called on. And for whatever reason, he called on me and like my brain literally like a cartoon just hopped out of my head, went down the street. But I, I literally for, I think for like 10 seconds, I just stood with my mouth open and not saying anything. And I was like, this is it. This is say something. And then I, I pretty much mumbled something. And the professor just saw I was, you know, gone and just kept on talking. I was like, at all. Your first call car, we locked the car. Sorry. Yeah. It’s okay. [inaudible]
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Crapped out your first cold call. And like, literally, I don’t know what it was after that. Maybe I’m just paranoid. But after that, like I feel like the whole class turned against me and no one talked to me for like two weeks straight. Like don’t Don Paris. She got to bad Juju. But yeah, that was, that was a crazy, I mean, you know, everyone says that cold calls, you know, it’s okay not to know the answer and to a certain extent it’s not, I mean, it, I mean it is to okay to not know the answer, but when you’re in it, it’s, it’s hard. It’s hard to recover. It is scary. Do you have any horror stories?
Speaker 3 (12:42):
My mine is very similar to Ana’s. It was it was a cold call too, and I knew it was coming too. And I was well-prepared for it too, but it was a cartoon experience, but mine was like the Looney tunes. One where you all, you see a stars after you get knocked down. That was me. All I saw was just stars and I, and then even after, so after class I showed the professor and I was like, here this, I actually did it here was the case. I, I briefed it, you know, so that he actually knew. And then, but I think the thing about one L horror stories is that everyone has them and people respond weirdly like that. Like how Ana said about people not talking to you for a while after that, because they just either think you’re not up to par or whatever it is, but eventually down the line, people see who people really are.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Law school is not indicative of the type of lawyer or the type of professional or person you’re going to be post-graduation. And like that’s somewhat our advantage of coming in to law school older is that we know that that is actually the truth. And for me personally, I recovered after that first one, I’ll call it well, cause my one L cold call experience was actually when I was doing my my MLS at law school. And so thereafter for graduation, I was elected graduation speaker. So I was able to redeem myself in front of my classmates and in front of the professors so they could see, okay, she might not say anything in class and meaning she might just totally blank out. But when push comes to shove, she’ll step up to the plate, you know? And so I think that’s the thing for people to remember, especially the younger law students is you’re bound to screw up.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Everybody comes in being the best at their game, wherever they came from and you’re going to happen. It’s okay. You’re better for it. Where, where you’re really tested is what you do after you catch that elk. What happens that’s, that’s where the separation occurs. What happens when you catch that L when you can bounce back, you know, and you can say, Hey, you know what? It’s okay. I failed, but that’s part of my process. That’s only going to make, set me up better for later. Then, you know, it’s good to have these one L horror stories in your back pocket. So you can tell people, Hey, you know what, you’re not alone. We’re, we’re, we’re all like feeling it. You know,
Speaker 4 (15:05):
I have another one for a story. Oh, go for it. So I had, I had criminal law really early. I don’t know if you hadn’t primar early KJ. Cause I don’t think we took it together. No, I
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Had in the summer before
Speaker 4 (15:17):
I had it at eight, my class was at 8:00 AM from eight to 10. And for the most part, I was always on time and always showed up early, early. It just so happened that I forgot in the classes on Monday. I forgot that it was daylight savings and that time had sprung forward. And I showed up to class a whole hour late And it didn’t help that I sat, you know, we have assigned seatings. And so I sat like relatively close to the front and like I had, you know, cause Katie says we’re relatively older. I have some back issues. So I had my little wheel wheel backpack just wheeling it down. Oh, you can just do doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo. I was just like, wait a second. How did everybody get here before? I did not, not good times. That’s
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Embarrassing.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
I also recovered from that
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Professor. Did they address you with in any way
Speaker 4 (16:16):
That they know the professor? The professor just looked at me like this just like kept on teaching teachers. He looked up and then just kept teaching. Like I was like, not even there.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah. Some of those professors are very unforgiving and you know, if you come in late, I mean, maybe it’s cause it also was daylight savings time. But like some of those professors are just, they’ll start yelling. Why are you late? You know? And then they go on this whole tirade about, you know, when you are practicing and going to court, blah, blah, blah, which is fine because in my area of law, everyone’s late for court. So I was like, that never worked out for me, but okay. Yeah. Now I know you guys have had so many guests on your show. Is there a piece of advice that you received maybe from an attorney or even from another student that just really stuck out to you that you feel like people should really know aside from
Speaker 3 (17:17):
There is really so much, it’s hard to isolate it because we’ve talked about such an array of topics like that. That’s probably my favorite thing about our podcast is that we have covered so many things from imposter syndrome to microaggressions, to finance, to, you know, brand value. So it’s really hard to say what is the most, but oh my God. It’s like, it’s like asking me what my favorite food is. I’m I’m really good at buffets. So okay. Is it okay if I pick a few and say one general overview? Okay. So I guess the few I would, I would pick is like financially plan ahead, plan ahead and do your, your homework, but don’t be intimidated because you already came so far. You’re going to figure out how to make it all work. So you have the research resources out there. We’re supposed to be pros at research.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Right. So make sure we do that. So one two everyone is suffering from imposter syndrome, so you’re not alone. And three brand value is very, very important. You know, something as simple as like coming to class late, right? Or the way that you speak to a professor or you know, never having your camera on, even though the professor asked for everybody’s camera to be on. I mean, you know, with not including if people have a special circumstance, but knowing that everything that you do adds to your brand and later on, when push comes to shove, everything that is on your resume, whether it be your, your grades, your class ranking, all those things will essentially somewhat go out the door because the person that you are is the person that people are hiring because you know, whether you’re applying for your one-off internship too well, or even like your first job straight out of law school, we’re all kind of bringing the same skills to the table.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
It’s it comes down to a matter of who do they want to work with. And that’s really what a lot of law students have to remember. It’s who you are that counts the most at the end of the day. You know? And then I guess my overarching thing that I’ve learned is that it’s possible. We’ve already come so far. We can do it. And you know, there are so many people who are rooting for you who want to pay it forward. And this is crazily one of the most help each other communities of professions that I’ve ever seen. So as much as people think lawyers are, they’re very helpful and they want to help each other succeed post law school. So that’s probably for me.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yeah. I agree. Having worked, you know, at a major corporation, we hired off personality. It was, you know, we can train you and yet you come to us with pretty much the same training anywhere you go, but what are you like, are you going to go hiking with us? Are you going to participate in the company picnic? You know just that kind of stuff every day when we see you in the office, do we want to you, right, right. Yeah. We don’t want to see you. That’s a problem. And so, yeah, we became very, very careful with who we hired and more and more we got into, we don’t even care if there’s any experience at first, it was, we’re a little scared to hire newbies, but you know, eventually got past that and figured out how to do our training. And then it was just a matter of straight personality. Really. There you go. So, Ana, what do you think you learned most from
Speaker 4 (21:18):
There are so many gems and nuggets that all of our guests, including yourself have given us over the year, over the year and a half. I guess the most recent one was that really stuck out with me was pretty much, don’t be afraid to try something that you not necessarily think you want to do in law school, not, not after law school because I mean, essentially the attorney said that this is pretty much low stakes, you know? And that’s honestly how they found out or found their calling and what they’re doing right now. You know, their whole law school experience, they had done internships and externships in a certain area, and then it wasn’t even until like they finished the bar that they got a call for a completely different area. And that is what they’re doing now and they’re thriving. So, you know, just having that open mind and being, being open to any opportunities is key. And especially now that I’m in as, as a three L you know, my last semester, I’m hoping to kind of, you know, have a different experience than what I had, obviously one else, you know, foundational courses and, and some required courses as a two. Well, so now just being open to whatever is available out there for me so that I can focus into what it is I want to do.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Yeah. That’s actually really good advice. I was dedicated to not going into worker’s comp. My friend went into worker’s comp and I thought that was, I called it devil’s work. So like it’s litigation, I want to do litigation. And it just sounds very icky. I don’t know. It didn’t sound fun. It didn’t sound interesting in any way. But after a few years of struggling to live my dream, I finally said, okay, I need a paycheck, get me a job. And I loved it. And I thrived and I even earned the nickname trial queen at one point, cause I was going to sell so much and I, I don’t care about trial anymore. I even showed up one time without one of my binders. Like I just, I’m not double, triple checking things anymore. I’m just like, Hey, it’s another day and I’m going to court and I’m trying things again. Like I just, I was like, that was a turning point though. I did say, okay, let’s, let’s get some fear back in me, make sure I show up with binders. But yes. So it’s, you just never know what’s going to resonate with you until you really get out there and try things. And, you know, I always thought were comp was this very simplistic area of law and actually it’s quite complex. The laws change every year. And so it’s just keeping on top of what’s going on is really difficult. I mean, even during
Speaker 3 (23:59):
COVID, I couldn’t imagine
Speaker 2 (24:03):
People who get COVID from work, that’s all new law, it’s a whole new thing. Right. You have to learn what medical conditions are impacted or create it from COVID, which we don’t even know as a scientific community. And yet as lawyers we’re litigating that wasn’t COVID or whatever. And so it’s very,
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Yeah,
Speaker 2 (24:25):
You just never know what’s going to happen. So yeah. Be open. I love that. Ana that’s really good advice. All right. So you guys are now in your third year, so you’ve been through almost two and a half years of law school. I mean, how does it feel to actually know you’re on the tail end?
Speaker 3 (24:44):
It feels awesome. I watch new girl a lot on repeat because it’s very low drama. And sometimes I used to worry that I would end up like Nick Miller and, you know, just be that close and not finish, but it feels good to know that I won’t be like that. And that the finish line really is a lot closer than we, than we think. And actually for me, my classes will be done at the end of this semester. And next semester I’ll just be doing externship stuff remotely, so I can not wait for these last finals in December.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
I got the so amazing. Congrats. How do you feel Ana?
Speaker 4 (25:27):
You know, I am an, in addition to being an introvert, I’m also a pessimist. So I know that’s the perfect combination to be an attorney. Right. introverted testedness I am mildly excited, but I’m not trying to get too excited because you know, like COVID came out of nowhere last year and I’m just like, you know, just going to take my time and, you know, follow with the flashlight in front of me. Cause I, I’m not quite sure how this is going to end up. And I mean, honestly, I mean, I joke, I am very excited that are at the tail end with everything going on. But yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s just one of those things where I’m like, okay, I’m not going to get too high. I’m not going to get too low. I’m just going to keep it even cute.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
I think that is smart. Actually. That’s what bill Murray says is his key to leading the type of life that he does that a lot of people in the entertainment industry are actually drawn to is that he lives this even keel a no roller coaster life. Like what, with regard to whether anything good or bad happens. There’s no real shift in reaction. You’re just, you just keep
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Going that way. You don’t really fall off your path of where, where you are trying to go. So nice. I like that. Yeah. Okay. So on a, how do you feel your gap years benefited you the most as far as going to law school later?
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Oh my gosh. Yeah. So it’s funny because I initially wanted to go to law school right after I graduated from my first degree. I don’t know what I was thinking. I actually, I grew up, I was, you know, I’m still studious, but you know, all those years ago I was an overachiever and graduated early and I was like, okay, I’m gonna take a semester study for Alsace. And then boom, life happens. See what this is, why a pessimistic life happened. And you know my family member got sick and then I spent like a whole year taking care of them and decided to go back to nursing school. So I’m actually glad that I did have that time and actually having another career outside. Cause there’s no way, there’s no way I would have been looking back. Look would have been prepared to be an attorney fresh out the gate.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Well, for my first degree. And so that this gap year with not gap year gap, years gap, half a decade helped give me perspective, helped give me, you know, maturity, which, you know, I didn’t know that I was lacking at the time and then perspective on what what’s really important. And on top of that, I’ve been able to travel and see the world and not feel like I’m missing anything because you know, a lot of people in there when they’re young and then they hop into a career, they get anxious after two or three years and then, you know, go, go off the Ricks. And so for me you know, I’m, I don’t have any doubt that this is what I want to do. This is what I want to do. Long-Term and so I’m glad that I had that opportunity to get all that anxious energy out of the way and see the world and appreciate my space where I am now.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Yeah. You know, one of the biggest reasons that I tell people, avoid student loans, let’s talk about how we can keep those numbers down is because I keep telling people, you don’t know what life has in store for you or your spouse can get injured and need care. A loved one, a parent can get sick and they need your help. You can have a kid with severe special needs where you have to stop working for awhile to take care of them. And it’s happened to a lot of my colleagues, right? And I don’t know what they’re doing with their student loans. It’s very difficult. You know, I was lucky to work in a corporation where from time to time, I could take leaves of absence and they were fully paid and it was, it was fabulous. And I took advantage of that when I needed that. And not everyone gets that. And especially one of the more in this high intensity type of firm where maybe they don’t have those paid leaves of absence. So really, I mean, again, keeping those loans down is the best thing you can do for your future self so that no matter what happens, you can handle it. But yeah, that’s great that you were able to do that and then come back and yet have that security of, okay, I’m ready. I know what I want. I’m going to go. Awesome. What about you, Katie?
Speaker 3 (30:00):
I’d say the best thing about taking that gap decade overall pertaining to law school was that I know my purpose and for me, purpose is everything because purpose is what keeps that fire alive. So for me, that time gave me a reason to be here. No one’s forcing me. No one asked me I’m not enticed to access a trust account because I’m in law school, there’s real purpose. And my purpose is to affect positive change. So I mean, lots of people do, but really I do have that, but also, you know, I think being older makes you realize as well that this degree, this JD, and I’ve said it so many times before, it enables you to move laterally exactly. In order to move vertically. So you have all these opportunities, you know, that that you can embark on at any given point in your career and you can be strategic with it all.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
But aside from that, from the law perspective, like, you know, it allowed me in, in my twenties to live it up and travel the world as a flight attendant, pre COVID. That was crazy amazing. You know? And then also as an entrepreneur, it let me build my resume and build my connections so that, you know, all of the offers that I’ve received thus far have all been because of what I did prior to law school. So you’re building that brand. You’re building your reputation beforehand so that while you’re there, you’re continuing, continuing to build in law school and then post law school, you’re bridging all of those things together. So if I could do it again, yeah. Sometimes I wish that my brain was a little bit, you know, younger and like ready to go all juiced up, but I would do it again the exact same way, because I think that gap time is necessary to maximize your potential. While in law school, you have more direction and you have more purpose. So
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Yeah, I agree. And I can see with both of you guys, for example, on a, I can see where with your medical background that in a medical malpractice field or workers’ comp or PI that you would be very valuable. You know, I mean, aside from valuable everywhere, of course, but especially in those fields and KJ with your entrepreneurship, I mean, that just translates into rainmaking in my mind. So anything that is heavy on like, Hey, we need you to bring in clients. It’s like, Hey, well I know how to talk to people and connect with those people. Now I know you’ve actually been maintaining that entrepreneurialship during law school I’ve been following,
Speaker 3 (32:51):
How are you finding the time? Oh my God. Planning, planning, planning, planning. It’s just like, I, I want to say, you know, how, when people, when you talk to a sole practitioner, they’ll say that they spend equal either 50% of the time or less than 50%, percent of the time actually practicing law, the rest of the time is spent towards the business. Right? So that’s kind of how I feel with my schedule. Most of my time, I am planning that way when I’m hitting my list, I’m just executing. So I think it’s just a matter of having a real planner, holding yourself accountable and getting on those lists every Sunday so that you can prep for Monday and then Monday morning, every single morning you’re going through it. And and then, you know, using your highlighters so that you can color code things using the post-its on there.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
You just have to make sure everything is accounted for and keeping double-checking because if you have so many things going on, you have to make sure you have all those different lists. And one thing could have multiple lists. So if, if I have five things going on and one of them is only school and I have five classes, that means I should at least have five lists for one list. Right. So it gets complicated, but I think it’s, it’s worth it. And luckily for me in this way, this is when being single and having no kids works to your advantage because I don’t have to think about anyone aside from myself. So, oh, that’s that’s I think that’s how, yeah. It’s staying positive and telling yourself you can do it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
It’s still very, very, I mean, my gosh, yeah. I follow you on social media and I’m just like, what is she up to now? My gosh, it’s just like,
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Well, you two are the exact same. You guys, you guys do so much. I don’t know how, but, you know, but I think that’s another thing that’s also key, you know, accountability partners people who have them execute seven times more than the normal person who doesn’t have an accountability partner. So Julian, even though you and I aren’t interacting regularly or daily, like how Ana and I do, you know, seeing each other and you know, what we’re doing that inspires each other. And that keeps us motivated, which thereby keeps each other accountable to make sure that we hit our lists. You know? So I think that’s another like integral thing to getting things done is, you know, to keep that motivation up and surrounding yourself with people who truly do support you, you know, and that you get to learn from along the way, you know, and like on a, holds me accountable all the time. So I’m lucky to have her.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Yeah, I can totally see it.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Yeah. I, I totally get what you’re saying, because even if there’s someone that I’m not accountable to, but there’s someone I’m regularly checking in with, like there was someone, you know, I really really put a lot more time and energy into my business just before COVID hit. Right. And I took a class maybe the month before we all went into lockdown. And there was another girl in that class and we, we really connected and just all through COVID we just kept checking in, what are you doing? How are you doing? You know, what’s up. And it was just so helpful to have someone who we were kind of growing together. Right. Just to check in and just be like, okay, I should have something new to say. Right. Like I should have moved that needle a little more. So yes. Any type of accountability is super helpful. Okay guys. So I mentioned your social media, but how can people follow you if they want to check out your journey, listened to the podcast, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Katie, do you want to take this?
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Oh yeah. Sorry. So yeah, we are on Instagram. That’s the main thing that we post on. So on Instagram, we’re at two legit podcasts. That’s the number two legit podcasts. And we’re also on Facebook. And our podcast itself is on Spotify, Google podcast, and apple iTunes.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
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