Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Legal Learning Podcast. I’m your host Jolene. And with the Legal Learning Center, I help prospective law students save $300,000 on law school to receive three money-saving strategies today. Visit legallearningcenter.com/money. Today we are joined by the founder of JD2be Pam shoppe. She’s an independent admissions advisor. She’s going to share with us when you should be submitting your applications, how to prepare for the application process and more.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Hi everybody. I’m Pam shoppe, and I have a company called JD2Be LLC. And the goal of that is to help you navigate the whole law school application process. So I’m an independent pre-law advisor. You know, there are the pre-law advisors at schools. I do a lot of the same things they do, but I’ll do it more in depth. I’ll do it. If you don’t know who your pre-law advisor was, cause you graduated years ago, all of those things, supplement your pre-law advisors, all of those different things to help you think through where you should be going, how you should be applying, keep you on schedule and then actually making your decision where you should go at the end of the day.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
So I know that pre-law advisors on campus can have a wide variety of expertise and backgrounds, not necessarily even in law. So what is your background that helps you advise pre law students?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
That’s the other thing I’ve learned, a lot of pre-law advisers sometimes it’s simply the low man on the totem pole, in the English department, that gets stuck being the pre-law advisor. So I actually went to law school. I graduated from Northwestern in 2007 and I went straight through from undergrad to law school. I didn’t take time off, but obviously lots of people do that and I definitely can help you navigate that whole approach.
Then I graduated and I worked for a couple years at a large law firm in New York City doing real estate work. Then I moved and did stuff for about eight years or so. But during that whole time I was an interviewer for Northwestern and I just loved working with the students so much and talking to them. And I find my found myself more and more wanting to give them advice as opposed to trying to review them and, you know, dissect, should they be going to law school to Northwestern, if Northwestern should accept them or not. I found myself wanting to be like, oh, you should do this. Or you should think about this school and I’m not supposed to be selling them on another school. And so it was just held in my mind. That’s when I decided to leave and then start my own company, doing it full time.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
That’s awesome. I know exactly what you’re talking about because I’ve been in that position before where I’m supposed to be doing one thing and it’s like, but I just want to tell you about all this other stuff. Like, do you know? So yes. And that’s so needed because as pre-law students, I mean, everyone’s confused. We only know what’s on the websites and again, the pre-law advisors at our colleges. I mean, some colleges don’t even have pre-law advisors, but if we do have them again, it’s such a wide variety of expertise. You never know exactly what you’re getting. And a lot of times it’s more just information about deadlines and things like that.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
I find a lot of pre-law advisors, you know, they’re on, they get all the LSAC information and they forward that along, which is helpful, but it’s more just general. Okay, here are our deadlines. Here’s a scholarship you can apply for. Oh, by the way, the LSAT flex is going away now this summer. And it’s going to be back to the full force like informational, which is very helpful and critical. And, but so many pre-law advisors don’t have that experience themselves of having gone through the process, truly understanding what law schools are looking for, how to package yourself in a way that can help you be more successful in getting into the school of your first choice.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Now, do you also help them with things like if they’re saying they want something like they want a certain school or a certain field, and then, you know, everything that they’re doing admissions wise seems to not align with that, do you help them kind of see where there may be missing the direct line there?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
I do. I, I think my approach is I’m a person who I’m a shoot for the stars type person. So if that’s your dream, you know, if you’re talking about, you want to go into public interest law, and yet you’re working at a bank right now, I might talk about like, is that really? Do you know what you think you’re signing up? Maybe you’re not signing up for you have this vision and maybe legal aid actually won’t comport with, you know, I see you have a penthouse apartment and well, you’re not gonna be able to keep doing that. So there is a little bit of that, but when it comes to the actual school you’re applying for, I’ll be honest with you and say, you know, right, Harvard is a, it’s a crapshoot for everybody. No one can guarantee.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Even if you have a 180 LSAT and a 4.8 GPA from Harvard, undergrad, it’s not guaranteed you’re going to get in because it’s so challenging. And it’s so hard at the same time. I know for myself, I applied to Harvard law school and got rejected it and I needed that. I just, I had this dream of Harvard and I wasn’t even trying to actually go. It was just like, I think I’m really smart and that’s the top school. So clearly I should be applying there. And so I feel like for other people who are more like me, who I feel like you just feel like I have to apply to the best. Cause you think you’re the best. And even if you’re not there, then at least, you know, you tried, otherwise you’ll always be wondering, I wonder if I could have gotten it. You know, I wonder if I could have gotten in, I mean, one of my friends in law school once said like, oh, I don’t know why you’re at Northwestern. I feel like you should be at Harvard. I was like, well, I applied and I got rejected. So they disagree.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Crazy people over there.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Exactly. But I feel like, so for the people who want to really shoot for the stars, I know there are other pre-law advisors, independent and at schools who kind of are more, the let’s be very realistic here. Your grades are not going to get you in there. So you should only be applying to this next tier down school, whatever tier it is. And I feel like I want to be able to like, you know what you don’t know, and you have to be in it to win it. And so I will help you package yourself. We will make sure your personal statement is as good as it can be, your resume. Do we need to take the LSAT again? You know, whatever it is, I’m here to help you put your absolute best foot forward. And at least then, you know, if you are rejected, you tried your hardest.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
And in the meantime, obviously, by making that personal statement so awesome in your attempt to go to whatever school is, your reach school, it’s really good then for your solid schools. And I’ll tell you where you should be going to in the sense of, okay, these schools are where you’re going to be a competitive candidate. So I’d be like, I’m never going to tell you not to apply somewhere, but I will be honest. They’re like, okay, that’s a reach. So let’s look here for your solid schools.
And if you want to work with me just on the reach schools, and then you feel like you can carry over everything we’re talking about on those reach schools, into your kind of more competitive schools, that’s fine by me. And then I just want you to get into law school and be happy. So, you know, and feel like you at least try if there’s a school you really wanted to try for, even though, you know, you’re not really quite there, I’ll help you do your best. So at least you can feel like the rejection is, you know, a real one, not like, oh, because you submitted it late or something like that.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
So what are mistakes that you commonly see with applicants? Like either misunderstandings that they have or something along those lines?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I would say one of the biggest things is timing. I think a lot of people like to push it to the end, you know, sort of like when you’re in college and you wait until the night before to do your paper and you can cram to study for the exam, the final, whatever it may be. And I feel like when it comes to applying to law school that does not work first have they’re the things you can’t even control, you know, getting your letters of recommendation and getting your transcript. And like, I always I’m like, those are lead time items that you can’t stay up all night to get them in. So you need to get those people lined up and follow up with them politely and regularly until they’re in. Then on the other side, you’ve got the stuff you can control, but you don’t want to be rushing through your personal statement or suddenly realize the classic, you know, you need a personal statement, you have an addendum to explain something or other.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
You’ve got all that stuff done. And then you go to submit and it’s like, oh, their application actually has three short answer questions I need to do. But yeah. So we should have checked that earlier because now you’re, it’s midnight and the deadline’s tomorrow and you just found out you need three short answer questions. So I always be like, check the applications, you know, September one, when they go live, check it. Your goal is to get everything in, in my book. Ideally you want everything in by Thanksgiving that gives you the best chance. Particularly you’re working with students who are applying to reach schools. You don’t want to be, the deadline is February 15th and you’re submitting February 14th and then there’s a technical issue. And suddenly you missed it altogether.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Oh my God. Yeah. It’s amazing to me. I am not that person. I don’t wait, but I was talking to somebody who wants to apply for this cycle. And the deadline, the cutoff was I think June 1st and they were going to take the June L set, the first L set they were taking. And I said, well, how’s that work? You won’t have a score. And they said, oh no, they’ll hold it for the score. As long as I get in by June 1st for this year, like, what are we doing here? Just,
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah. And I feel like if you’re applying to any, any, even a competitive school that hurts your chances of getting in, because the schools themselves say, when it comes down to picking between two equal candidates, more often than not, they go to the one who got their application in first, because it shows a level of interest. It shows a level of just togetherness that you have your act together, that you’ve got it in early. That makes them feel like, okay, this is the kind of person we’d want in our school. Not the person who slapped it together and threw it in the last second.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Yeah. Okay. So what services do you provide? I know you overall help them, but how do you help them?
Speaker 2 (10:21):
So top to bottom, pretty much anything related to your application. I don’t do LSAT prep. There are other groups that do that so well, and it’s such a detailed kind of special thing that, you know, working your way through, getting faster or the test taking tips, all those things. And I mean, LSAC has Khan Academy for free and that’s supposed to be fantastic. But other than that, pretty much everything.
So starting from, you know, let’s talk about your scores, where should you be applying? What do you want to do as a lawyer? You know, if you’re really thinking public interests based on what your scores are. CUNY is the number one public interest has number one public interest program. You know, where do you want to end up? You know, that’s another big thing. I think a lot of people don’t think about it.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
They pull out the U S News rankings and just pick, okay, my scores stayed. These are the schools they should be applying to. Well, if you’re looking at Kent in Chicago and New York law school in New York, but you want to end up in Chicago, well, don’t apply to New York law school. You won’t be able to get a good job in Chicago and vice versa. So I think, you know, people tend to not focus on the regional aspect, which really helps your job prospects later on. You know, if you’re at a lower ranked law school, but you want to stay in that city. You’ve had the whole three years to network to build connections. Those law firms are familiar with that law school. And so you’ll get a much better job than if you were trying to leave and go somewhere else. So all of that, all that kind of thinking strategizing at the beginning, but then all the way through.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
So we’ll talk about your personal statement, we’ll go rounds of drafts. You put something together, I’ll mark it up and mark it up from like big concepts of you jumped around. I can’t follow you, but you’re saying here all the way down to, okay, this comma should be here, not here. You know? So all the way down to the grammar stuff, then all the different other things you need to put together and we’ll work on your resume. If you need an addendum talking through that, sometimes people feel like they, you know, you have people. I feel like I have some students who come through with like, and I think I need an addendum here and an addendum here and I’m here like, okay, actually, you don’t need any of that. If you throw in six addendums, the admissions officer who reading her application will be really unhappy because they’re reading a lot of these and they don’t want to read unnecessary things.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
You don’t have to explain your parking tickets, the car accident that you went to court to fight. So I think helping people think through all of those things, and then in my comprehensive package, I’ll even keep following up with you on deadlines, making sure you’re, you know, we’ll come up with a schedule. So it’s like, okay, in two weeks you want to do this in four weeks, we should be doing this with the goal of getting your application in by November 15th, you know, or whatever deadlines we’ve set. So I’ll help you back into that schedule to keep you on track. And then once you get your decisions, then helping you figure out, you know, where should you be going and how you know, the next steps from there.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
That’s great, because I think it’s so overwhelming. What should I be doing? And when, and yes. How do I follow up or do all the, just all the things.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
So when break it into bite size pieces, I think is helpful. Like, okay, right now, we’re just going to do this. Don’t even worry about that. That’s in a month. I think that’s helpful for people to like stay focused. You know, they come to me and they’re like, I’ve got 10 things I’m working on. It’s like, okay, this is what we’re going to do. Don’t even think about that.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
That’s the way to do it because really there are a million things to do. But as you said, you’re not in control of all of them. So get going on the ones that you’re not in control of that are going to take awhile. And then what else is going to take you awhile that you are in control of like studying for the LSAT or whatever.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
And studying should be like a part-time job. You need to put a lot of time into that. So you don’t want to be doing that at the same time, as you’re trying to finish up your personal statement, that’s too much pressure. Like I gave myself an ulcer, applying to law school, don’t be me.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
I applied before the internet was really a thing, which I think is a good thing. Cause you couldn’t compare to all these people who are sharing on Instagram and YouTube and wherever, oh, I just finished my thing and I just did this thing and I’m all done with this thing. And it’s just like, wait, I’m not there yet. I was in my own bubble. I didn’t know what was going on with the rest of the world. It was great. So when should people start the entire process? So just whether it’s the LSAT studying or the looking into letters of rec, like when does that whole ball ideally start?
Speaker 2 (15:00):
So actually I would say when I talk to freshmen and sophomores, I say actually the number one thing, I, well, two things that there are only two things they should be worrying about when it comes to law school. If they’re thinking about law school, one, their GPA study hard, do well in classes. That’s the number one thing you can do to help yourself going to law school, don’t even think about law school itself do really well in your classes and to developing relationships with professors. So you have options for your letter of recommendations. Those are my two pointers. So there’s nothing. It’s not that you can’t, you can never start too early, but where you should be putting your energy into, if you’re a freshman, a sophomore, it’s your grades. And if there’s a professor, you feel a connection with maybe try to take a couple of classes with them, do a research project with them, something like that, so that they can write a really good recommendation for you when that time comes.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Yeah. I never used like office hours and that kind of thing in college. And I think that would have been great if I had had more of a strategic approach of this person might be a good one to write a letter of rec because I’ve taken three classes with them. And actually, as I knew, I was taking more and more classes with that person. Maybe start the relationship instead of just, you know, I think what I did was I was close to the TA who kept working for that person and then kind of backdoored the, Hey, can I get a letter of rec? The TA probably wrote it, you know?
Speaker 2 (16:27):
And that’s actually another one of my letters of recommendation was from the professor who I was the TA for. So even if like, if you’re working a little bit, while you’re in college, you know, being a TA is a great way to make a little money and really develop a great relationship with a professor who thinks you’re obviously awesome at what you’re doing. That’s why they’ve asked you to work for them. And so they’ll probably write a pretty good recommendation.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
That’s a good point. I’m always trying to explain to people that some jobs are just better than others. You know, I mean, for example, if you’re working in fast food, there’s just some fast food, but there’s some fast food that will actually provide scholarships for college and stuff like that. So I’m always telling them to look at these things so that if you’re just looking for retail or whatever, is there some jobs that are better than others? And yeah, if you’re just looking for an on-campus job, something that’s easy and convenient, that TA position. Yeah. It has that extra bonus there.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Exactly, exactly. That’s I feel like it’s the work smarter not harder.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Yeah, exactly. So that’s good. I’m going to add that to my little list there. Okay. So get the letters of rec early, get connections with people early and yeah. Work on those grades. Yeah. Cause that’s really a huge part of your application.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
And that’s I, I know some, you know, some of my clients come to me, you know, they’ve graduated a couple of years ago and it’s like, the GPA is, it is what it is at this point and now they’re coming to me and they’re so frustrated because it’s like, okay, they have this awesome LSAT score. And they’re like, I just wasn’t focused in college. I just wasn’t focused, you know, whatever it was. I didn’t even know I wanted to go to law school. I was 19, you know, I had a really bad semester. I got sick, whatever it might be. And so some of these things, maybe we can write an addendum to work through and explain, but you can’t write an addendum that just says, I wasn’t really focused that nobody wants to hear that addendum. You know?
And I, you know, and I just see their options are being limited by this GPA that they kind of like if I had known back then that I wanted to do this, maybe I would have figured it out sooner. So I think that’s a lot of the, that goes again, my advice. And I would actually say that even if you don’t wanna go to law school, whatever you do get good grades. Cause it just helps you so much more of whatever you might decide to do down the line. If you need to take a year off and go party, do that don’t party while you’re in school and have your grades suffer.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Yeah. I feel like there should be an automatic, addendum for people who went to my college. Cause we were number three party school in the nation. So we had a lot of people kicked out a lot of people who struggled with their grades or first year, cause they were trying to balance it all. So we should have a checkbox. Did you go to UCSB? Yes, I did. First year. Grades are waived.
I forget the other two schools. I think it was university of Michigan and some, maybe something in Miami that beat us out as the top two. So all three schools get a waiver. So, okay. I saw on your website, you also offer something related to school tours. What’s that all about?
Speaker 2 (19:33):
So what I do is just kind of, as I travel around myself or through other things that I’m doing, I actually am able to tour the law schools. I think it helps a lot of people approach law school differently than college. You know, everyone in high school was doing college tours and you know, visiting a million different colleges and everywhere you go, starting in high school practically. I’m in New York, but, I’ll stop by Columbia. I’m in California. I’ll swing by Pepperdine. You know, you just kind of like, it’s just part of, I don’t know, the social conscious just as you traveling you’re in high school, you should be looking at colleges what’d you maybe want to go to college here or how, but here and nobody does that for law schools. People really just pull out the US News and like, here are the rankings, here’s my grades.
Here’s my LSAT score. Connect the dots. Okay. Boom. Here we go. And there’s so much more, I mean, even within the same town in schools that are ranked very similarly, they have very different personalities on campus. You know, I went to Northwestern and Northwestern university, Chicago are ranked very similarly. They’re both top 10. They’re both right in Chicago, one downtown, one, you know, up in Streeterville where, but they have really different personalities and just like you will succeed, I think better depending on your personality, if you went to one or the other, and it’s the kind of thing you only get, if you’re actually walking on the campus and you’re hearing the people talk about the schools and the thing that they, you know, what does the school sell and you know, Northwestern, their big thing is we’re friends and we all should be friends and we all want to be really nice.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
So if you are kind of a, just like super cutthroat person, you’re not going to enjoy that environment and be like, what is with this? Like lovey-dovey nonsense. But if you’re not a cutthroat person, which I am not like I totally thrived in that environment. So what I try to do is kind of tour different schools to get a feel for them, get a feel for how they want to be, what the kind of candidates they’re looking for. And then even just the actual environment around, you’re not going to be in the library the whole time. I hope so. What else is there to do? You know, are you in the middle of nowhere, are you close to this, you know, close to a city, are you in a city? And then even beyond that, what are the job opportunities? You know, if you’re in a city, where can you be networking?
Speaker 2 (21:43):
You know, Brooklyn at first people might think Brooklyn law school, like, okay, I don’t know that doesn’t like, you know, no, it was really close to New York city, but actually the location, the law school insight of like the classrooms, you can see three different courts, bankruptcy and federal and local and state court. So like all these options to like intern for judges in the middle of the semester though, to go and hear cases. So I think even just that to see like how close is it, how easy it is for you to get externships, internships, you know, networking for jobs, all those different things that I feel like when you just are looking at the US News, you don’t get that bigger picture of what the school is, what they’re all about. And you know, what different programs do they have international study abroad programs. If that’s something that you’re interested in, just that next level of information that you don’t get, if you’re just looking straight at the rankings.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
That’s so needed. It’s so important because I can just tell you LA schools, USC, you don’t want to take one foot off of campus. You do not want to go to that neighborhood. You know, now Pepperdine on the other hand, beautiful area, but you’re going to have to drive. You have to have a car. There’s no way you can go that school without a car. You have to have a car and you’re going to be driving to any internships. There’s nothing. Not, not even really part time jobs anywhere nearby.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Well, just things you want to factor in. Particularly if you, if you’re in, you might work while you’re in school, any of the networking things to realize, oh, add in the cost of a car and the time driving, maybe I’d rather go to a school where the it’s right there and I’m just walking and I don’t have to have a car.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
When I went to law school, the Metro was not really, it was new, so it wasn’t super efficient, but I was still able to use it to go most of the time from my home to the school and then to internships, not all the internships, but some of them. And it was great because it was, I could study while was on the metro. It saved me so much time in and yeah, you just don’t know. I had another friend who moved here for his 2L year and he rented an apartment sight unseen based on the distance of okay. In San Francisco, their Bart system. Okay. This many miles takes this long for me to get to law school. So he did the mileage, which is not the same with a brand new Metro system in LA.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
And it wasn’t even the Metro. It was the Metro link, which is a real train. Right. So it’s not even a subway thing. And so he had to do all these connections. It took him hours to get from his apartment and like anyone in LA, if I named the city, would be like he got her apartment where? And he tried to go basically downtown. It’s just like another universe. So yeah. It’s not it’s not all the same. Yeah. It’s really hard when you don’t come from the area or haven’t spent time in the area and don’t even have time to tour it.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
People are making decisions, come March and April where to go and it’s kind of sight unseen for a lot of people. And so just to be able to kind of like if I’ve been pre COVID, I actually went to the schools myself and took photos and would post them and do a whole thing. Now it’s kind of like, okay, I looked through their whole look book, but just to be able to hear someone else’s perspective and kind of distilling down and you know, I write it’s one paragraph that I write on my review of my tour or just the school of the website. And so I have, I have scoured their website. I’ve gone through their look book, I’ve gone through their extracurricular programs. I’ve gone through their part-time programs. That’s another thing. A lot of people, you know, do you want to do the part-time or the full-time, you know, which schools even offer that, you know, so going, I have scoured the whole website and distilled it down into this one paragraph, you know, all the parts where like about us, we’re downtown, we have cultural.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
And then, and then here are classes we offer and here’s our, you know, all those different things kind of still down until just one paragraph. That’ll give you a little bit, you know, a sentence here on each little aspect, you know, they have things that they highlight, how, you know, I always end with how many journals they have, how many student groups they have and clinics, you know, just those final things. But just to have it all in one place. I feel like I would have found that’s helpful. So I’ll give it to other people.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
And that’s where the best advice comes from right. Is I wish I had known, or I wish I’d had this when I was going in. So I think that’s a big difference.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
You were saying at the beginning a lot of pre-law advisors, haven’t done this themselves. So how are they able to, like, help you avoid the pitfalls they ran into cause they didn’t run any right.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Exactly. It’s I mean, I’ve definitely done things where in my past I’ve advised on things. I don’t really know anything about, I, you know, I, I worked at Universal Studios. Orientation was supposed to include a tour. I never got that tour. And so the bathrooms were kind of far away and people would ask where’s the bathrooms. And I heard all my coworkers tell people where the bathrooms were and also, you know, where the tram was. And, and so I could tell directions, turn right, turn left. When you see this, do that. And I had never seen the thing. You can do that, but it’s still not ever the same when you’re talking about this big entity called law school, unless you’ve been through it.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
I feel like so many of my discussions, even though it starts off talking about a personal statement or a resume, it inevitably ends up in like, well, and how did you do this? And that, like, it ends up, we’re talking about law school careers 10 years out. You know? So for me to add that to, you know, is you’re trying to strategize where you’re going to school or what you’re going to do in school. That’s three years. Cause you’re looking to do something beyond that. No one gets law degree and then it’s done with their life. That’s a step for more. So I feel like to be able to answer those questions as well, you know, what’s it like being at a big firm? What’s it like being in house? What’s it like now being, you know, an entrepreneur, you know, all those different ways to use your law degree, what I’ve seen, my other friends who are lawyers, where they have ended up and how they have made those decisions and the different pros and cons. I think that helps too, as you’re thinking through where you want to go help you think a little bit beyond school as well.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Yes. There’s definitely a lot of things I’ve seen in life where if you’re not beginning with the end in mind, you’re not going to progress as streamlined. I mean, you can still progress of course, but you might make a lot more mistakes. And some of them, when we’re talking about six figures in debt, that could be a big mistake.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
There’s a lot less bandwidth. Yes.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
So, you know, it’s not saying you can’t always end up in the same spot. A lot of us do, actually it turns into a hodgepodge eventually, but
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Take the scenic group, but you get there eventually.
Speaker13 (29:02):
But yeah, when we’re talking six figures, why not get what you think you’re paying for? Well, great. Okay. So where can people find you if they want your advice?
Speaker 2 (29:14):
JD2be.com. And my name came about because when I first got into law school in college, my sister started making fun of me and they were calling my name’s Pam, but they always called me Pammy and they were calling me Pammy, Jean JD to be. And so that was like all of my graduation cards. And so then when 10 year, whatever, 10 years later, when I finally started, I was like, you know, a JD2be just the right name, because that’s what you’re going to be. Hopefully. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
That’s so funny. It’s awesome. It came from a personal nickname and then is a great business name. Well, Pam, thanks so much for joining us today.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Absolutely. Thanks for having me
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Before we get into my top takeaways, a quick word from our sponsor. Juno, if you have to take out student loans, check in with Juno first. Juno, can often offer law students one to 2% lower interest rates than the federal government and with no origination fees and oftentimes cash back as well. Visit advisor.legallearningcenter.com/Juno. For more information, my top takeaways from our chat with Pam, number one, be aware of your timing. You don’t really have much control over your letters of recommendation. You need some time for your personal statement and you should be checking those applications to see if there’s extra questions overall. You want to get them in by Thanksgiving.
Number two, if you’re going to a lower ranked school, you want to stay local to where you’re going to work. Build up that network. Number three, she’s a shoot for the stars type of person. So if you are looking to shoot for the stars, you may want to work with Pam. That’s it. For this episode, all the tips and links will be in the show notes. A full transcript is available at legallearningcenter.com/JD2be that’s the number two, if you enjoyed the show today, please leave a review, helps the show, help more people. Thanks.
